Bonnie S. McDougall杜博妮《現代中國的翻譯故事》"Translation Stories from Modern China," 回憶錄，又是文學史，更是一次思想探索之旅。它以獨特的視角，講述了現代中國文學如何跨越語言、文化和世界，並傳播到世界各地。 楊憲益 (2)。蕭伯納George Bernard Shaw received both a Nobel and an Oscar.
譯者默默地塑造著不同文明之間的相互理解。在《現代中國的翻譯故事》一書中，邦妮·S·麥克杜格爾為讀者呈現了一位開創性譯者的國際生涯的珍貴第一手資料。她幾乎是偶然地在澳洲的一堂中文課上開啟了翻譯之路，從此走上了畢生追求的道路，最終進入北京大學、外國語出版社，並成為現代中國文學翻譯的中心。從與北島、陳凱歌、楊嘉怡。和楊憲益的交往，到魯迅和徐光平鮮為人知的個人經歷，本書既是回憶錄，又是文學史，更是一次思想探索之旅。它以獨特的視角，講述了現代中國文學如何跨越語言、文化和世界，並傳播到世界各地。
Translators quietly shape how civilizations understand one another. In "Translation Stories from Modern China," Bonnie S. McDougall gives readers a rare firsthand account of the international life of a trailblazing translator. What began almost by accident—with a Chinese class in Australia—became a lifelong pursuit that took her to Peking University, the Foreign Languages Press, and the center of modern Chinese literary translation. From encounters with Bei Dao, Chen Kaige, Gladys Yang, and Yang Xianyi to the hidden personal histories of Lu Xun and Xu Guangping, this is part memoir, part literary history, part intellectual adventure. A rare account of how modern Chinese literature traveled across languages, cultures, and worlds. https://ow.ly/HPbL50YZHgq 杜博妮翻譯故事
Oxford University wanted to give him a title, he humbly said that he didn't need a title before his name. When he received the Nobel Literature Prize in 1925, he naturally refused to accept the Nobel Prize. Who is this gentleman! He accepted the prize medal at the request of the Nobel Committee, so reluctant to accept the award, degree, as a worldwide recognition of his creations. But he donated the prize money. He received an Oscar in 1939. Until Bob Dylan received the Nobel Prize in Literature in 2016, Shaw was the only person to have received both a Nobel and an Oscar. © In search of the fixed stars Tried to become a writer early in life, sending novel manuscripts to publishers but no one would accept them. Frustrated, he decided to never try to be a writer anyway. In the end, he could not keep his promise, he started writing again, but not a novel, but a play. And that play brought him world fame. He is one of the greatest playwrights in the world, George Bernard Shaw, the first person in the world to win both a Nobel and an Oscar. As a child, he didn't like the study of fixed charts, exams. He was attracted to the outside world from textbooks. During his teenage years, he read many books on literature, history and philosophy at home instead of school. However, Shakespeare's plays fascinated him, he thought that one day he would become a great dramatist. His path in life did not go smoothly, due to the decline in his father's business, he took a job in a land broker's office. He works in the office, writes in the blank. He used to write regularly in newspapers, but even there no one printed his writings. Finally one day a letter was printed in a newspaper. It was the first printed writing of Bernard Shaw's life when he was fifteen years old. He was promoted in the job, although he did not like the job very much, one day he thought that he was moving away from the real goal of his life by working. He left for London with ten pounds. Just the
Bonnie S. McDougall杜博妮《現代中國的翻譯故事》"Translation Stories from Modern China," 回憶錄，又是文學史，更是一次思想探索之旅。它以獨特的視角，講述了現代中國文學如何跨越語言、文化和世界，並傳播到世界各地。 楊憲益 (2)。蕭伯納George Bernard Shaw received both a Nobel and an Oscar.
譯者默默地塑造著不同文明之間的相互理解。在《現代中國的翻譯故事》一書中，邦妮·S·麥克杜格爾為讀者呈現了一位開創性譯者的國際生涯的珍貴第一手資料。她幾乎是偶然地在澳洲的一堂中文課上開啟了翻譯之路，從此走上了畢生追求的道路，最終進入北京大學、外國語出版社，並成為現代中國文學翻譯的中心。從與北島、陳凱歌、楊嘉怡。和楊憲益的交往，到魯迅和徐光平鮮為人知的個人經歷，本書既是回憶錄，又是文學史，更是一次思想探索之旅。它以獨特的視角，講述了現代中國文學如何跨越語言、文化和世界，並傳播到世界各地。
Translators quietly shape how civilizations understand one another. In "Translation Stories from Modern China," Bonnie S. McDougall gives readers a rare firsthand account of the international life of a trailblazing translator. What began almost by accident—with a Chinese class in Australia—became a lifelong pursuit that took her to Peking University, the Foreign Languages Press, and the center of modern Chinese literary translation. From encounters with Bei Dao, Chen Kaige, Gladys Yang, and Yang Xianyi to the hidden personal histories of Lu Xun and Xu Guangping, this is part memoir, part literary history, part intellectual adventure. A rare account of how modern Chinese literature traveled across languages, cultures, and worlds. https://ow.ly/HPbL50YZHgq 杜博妮翻譯故事
Oxford University wanted to give him a title, he humbly said that he didn't need a title before his name. When he received the Nobel Literature Prize in 1925, he naturally refused to accept the Nobel Prize. Who is this gentleman! He accepted the prize medal at the request of the Nobel Committee, so reluctant to accept the award, degree, as a worldwide recognition of his creations. But he donated the prize money. He received an Oscar in 1939. Until Bob Dylan received the Nobel Prize in Literature in 2016, Shaw was the only person to have received both a Nobel and an Oscar.
© In search of the fixed stars
Tried to become a writer early in life, sending novel manuscripts to publishers but no one would accept them. Frustrated, he decided to never try to be a writer anyway. In the end, he could not keep his promise, he started writing again, but not a novel, but a play. And that play brought him world fame. He is one of the greatest playwrights in the world, George Bernard Shaw, the first person in the world to win both a Nobel and an Oscar. As a child, he didn't like the study of fixed charts, exams. He was attracted to the outside world from textbooks. During his teenage years, he read many books on literature, history and philosophy at home instead of school. However, Shakespeare's plays fascinated him, he thought that one day he would become a great dramatist. His path in life did not go smoothly, due to the decline in his father's business, he took a job in a land broker's office. He works in the office, writes in the blank. He used to write regularly in newspapers, but even there no one printed his writings. Finally one day a letter was printed in a newspaper. It was the first printed writing of Bernard Shaw's life when he was fifteen years old.
He was promoted in the job, although he did not like the job very much, one day he thought that he was moving away from the real goal of his life by working. He left for London with ten pounds. Just the
FULCRUM: an annual of poetry and aesthetics
George Bernard Shaw, sketch by great Russian artist Mikhail Dobuzhinsky (Russia & US, 1875-1957). 1945. Pencil, paper. FromFULCRUM: an annual of poetry and aesthetics #2.
George Bernard Shaw, sketch by great Russian artist Mikhail Dobuzhinsky (Russia & US, 1875-1957). 1945. Pencil, paper. FromFULCRUM: an annual of poetry and aesthetics #2.
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用過去提到楊憲益夫婦之文紀念他倆維吉爾《牧歌》、《農事詩》、《埃涅阿斯紀》
http://hcpeople.blogspot.com/2008/01/blog-post_12.html楊憲益
過去幾年一直想記楊先生不過覺得他的書只讀過少數 就作罷
難得明報月刊肯將它全文分享
就先貼它
風輕雲淡話生涯 楊憲益先生訪談 （人物－戴 萍）
詩與散文
Allan Ramsay 在S. Johnson的文學俱樂部中提出很多有趣的見解譬如說 荷馬史詩既然在"古遠"即成
那應該有樸素的散文翻譯來表現其精神（譬如說 楊憲益 的荷馬史詩《奧德修紀》）
Johnson說法則是要欣賞它們 只能從詩體得之 （可能在1778年 Good Friday之後所言）
茅盾《最漂亮的生意》："據此道中人說，此中困難，不在得車，而在領照，不患無客，而患在缺油。"
===2006
《茶酒閒聊》品物？
不盡然！
楊憲益竟然不列世說
滴酒不沾的黃永玉為 香泉 酒鬼之設計師
Bernard Shaw: Pygmalion ActII（1914）
英國小說-戲劇中的倫敦名街（12）兩座聖保羅教堂 Bernard Shaw (1856–1950)著 Pygmalion（1916. 林語堂譯『賣花女』1929）台南：關山書局印行，1967 )楊憲益譯『皮格馬利翁』翻譯年代不詳）收入『外國戲劇百年精華』北京：人民文學，2005 【林語堂】 西元1895～1976）福建龍溪人，為二十世紀享…….
Pygmalion及其它 在《戴明博士四日談》第28頁中我對西洋神話Pygmalion效應及其在教育上和管理上所謂的「期望理論（Expectation Theory）即師生或主管與部屬之間會互動，前者對後者期望愈殷切，常常導致後者成就愈大。我舉了蕭伯納的《賣花女(窈窕淑女)作例。
Pygmalion in the Classroom, by Robert Rosenthal and Lenore Jacobson (Holt, Rinehart, and Winston, 1969)(p27-c2, TNE)
Robert Rosenthal and Lenore Jacobson, Pygmalion in the Classroom, New York: Holt,
Rinehart and Winston, 1968. See also, 1992 revised and enlarged edition, ...Irving Press
24. Rosenthal, Robert, and Lenore Jacobson, Pygmalion in the Classroom: Teacher Expectation and Pupils' Intellectual Development, New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1968. The findings of this study are challenged by Janet D. Elashoff and Richard E. Snow of Stanford University in Pygmalion Reconsidered: A Case Study in Statistical Inference: Reconsideration of the Rosenthal-Jacobson Data on Teacher Expectancy, Worthington, Ohio: Charles A. Jones Publishing Company, 1971.
A SARCASTIC BYSTANDER [thrusting himself between the note taker and the gentleman] Park Lane, for instance. Id like to go into the Housing Question with you, I would.
林語堂先生的對譯版注：派克路：倫敦街名，闊人及富戶聚居之處。
楊憲益先生的譯本注：「公園路是倫敦有錢人的住宅區」
THE NOTE TAKER. Oh yes. Quite a fat one. This is an age of upstarts. Men begin in Kentish Town with £80 a year, and end in Park Lane with a hundred thousand. They want to drop Kentish Town; but they give themselves away every time they open their mouths. Now I can teach them—
林語堂先生的對譯版注：「現在是暴發戶的時代。人家起初在肯特城，一年八十鎊的收入，後來住在派克路，一年就是十萬。他們想擺脫掉肯特城（的口音）；但是一開口就露出馬腳來了。我卻能教他們--」
楊憲益先生的譯本注：「現在是個暴發戶的時代。有些人開始在堪提須鎮一年收入只有八十鎊，結果住了公園路一年掙十萬鎊。這些人都想把老地方的土音丟掉；可是每回一張開嘴就露出馬腳來了。我可能夠教這人--」
案：林語堂和楊先生都沒注Kentish Town 為倫敦一「郊區」：http://www.answers.com/Kentish%20town
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關於
最重要的 "He saw the cities and came to know the thoughts of many men."
最重要的 "He saw the cities and came to know the thoughts of many men."
楊憲益先生之奧德修紀 之翻譯 可能是
看到不少種族的城國
了解到他們的心腸
===2005
楊憲益先 生翻譯蕭伯納（George Bernard Shaw）著的Caesar and Cleopatra【網路上有主文】 採中英對照，「另一序幕」（AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE PROLOGUE）【網路上主文稱為Act I】對話開始，許多字看似簡單，然而還是得多查辭典（用【】表示）。
Belzanor. By Apis, Persian, thy gods are good to thee.
the Persian. Try yet again, O captain. Double or quits! 隊長，再來一次。要麼輸雙份，要麼兩不欠。
Belzanor. No more. I am not in the vein. 不來了。我手氣不好。
the Sentinel (poising his javelin（標槍）as he peers over the wall). Stand. Who goes there?
They all start, listening. A strange voice replies from without.
Voice. The bearer of evil tidings.
Belzanor (calling to the sentry). Pass him.
【vein (MOOD)noun [S or U] v. tr. - 使成脈絡, 像脈絡般分佈於。日本語 (Japanese) n. - 静脈, 血管, 気質, 葉脈, 翅脈, 気分, 鉱脈。a style or a temporary mood: 兩例
The opening scene is very violent, and the rest of the film continues in (a) similar vein.
After laughing over the photo, they began to talk in (a) more serious vein about the damaging effect it could have on his career.】
【start之中文「v. intr. - 出發, 起程, 發生, 開始, 著手, 啟動v. tr. - 使開始, 開始, 發起, 引起, 創辦n. - 出發, 出發時間, 出發點, 起始, 最初」，似乎都未將A sudden and involuntary movement: bolt, jump, startle. See move/halt.和A startled reaction or movement.翻譯。】
【tiding n. - 一條新聞, 消息, 音信； (Japanese) n. - 便り】
alas！A. Breton；施尼茨勒 vs史尼茨勒 ；中文緣
rl：re: 【alas！不知法文】
alas為古法語，字典解釋為 de découragement（氣餒，洩氣），意思應該是：因氣餒而感嘆。
當代法語字典未查得，不過意外地在英語字典可查得
used as an exclamation to express sorrow, grief, pity, concern, or apprehension of evil.
可譯作：「哎呀！」
這直譯的要求，可以用另外一極端例說明。楊憲益先生翻譯過簫伯納的『凱撒與克莉奧佩特拉』，他說，書名也不夠通俗，但似乎無更好的辦法。萬一有人將它翻譯成『霸王與別姬』，有人想起西楚霸王，有人則想到梅蘭芳和楊小樓的東西。
----2004
讀 劉紹銘『一條漢子』（中國時報2004.12.10）
很早就想簡記楊憲益和英籍夫人戴乃迭（Gladys Taylor）的翻譯事業（他們夫婦檔的選書，雖然多心不由己，不過苦中作樂，或許也有可觀，可惜我都沒機會讀；我看過近年大陸出版的一些他們的傳記）。不過，劉文強調「「六四」民運期間對學生的支持，可說義無反顧。」「八十九歲的老人，未知尚能飯否？ 」
真正他的朋友問的方式是「尚能酒否？ 」--他連回憶錄都用《漏船載酒憶當年》（參考甘陽的『將錯就錯』中之文等）。他近來寫些序。最令人懷念的是他早期的兩部筆記，後來合成『零墨新箋—譯餘文史考証集』（台灣台北的明文書局有「轉印本」，1985），最能看出其才情。
楊憲益卷：《奧德修紀》1979年首次面世 中文世界中最早直接從古希臘語翻譯的全譯本，有詳細導論。《中國翻譯名家自選集》中的 楊憲益卷包括荷馬史詩等 ：《奧德修紀》《牧歌》《古希臘詩選》等計21萬字，有簡單的導言（1994） 。由北京的 中國工人出版社--於 1994年左右開始陸續出版的一套重要翻譯文學叢書，全套共 9 冊。
《伊里亞德》與《奧德賽》是一整個文化共同創作的，而非出自「荷馬」一人之手「把荷馬視為一個人物是錯的，」。Homer：The Iliad 《伊里亞德》（The Iliad）How a translation of 'The Iliad' into modern language reinforces its relevance與《奧德賽》（The Odyssey）
---- 古希臘荷馬的話：「很少孩子能同他們父親一樣，多數要差一些，只有少數比他們父親更好。」
楊憲益《奧德修紀》《銀翹集》、《零墨新箋—譯餘文史考証集》、我與楊憲益先生交往二三事(范瑋麗)
"He saw the cities and came to know the thoughts of many men."
李小姐誤譯為「他看到了這座城市，了解了許多人的想法。」(p.18)
參考其他版本：
楊憲益先生之《奧德修紀》：「看到不少種族的城國，了解到他們的心腸。」(可能譯自希臘文)
王煥生譯為：「見識過不少種族的城邦和他們的思想」
"心腸"很可能比"思想、更好。
---- 古希臘荷馬的話：「很少孩子能同他們父親一樣，多數要差一些，只有少數比他們父親更好。」
----楊憲益譯《奧德修紀‧卷二》北京：中國工人出版社，1995，頁15。
"He saw the cities and came to know the thoughts of many men."
李小姐誤譯為「他看到了這座城市，了解了許多人的想法。」(p.18)
參考其他版本：
楊憲益先生之《奧德修紀》：「看到不少種族的城國，了解到他們的心腸。」(可能譯自希臘文)
王煥生譯為：「見識過不少種族的城邦和他們的思想」
"心腸"很可能比"思想、更好。
---- 古希臘荷馬的話：「很少孩子能同他們父親一樣，多數要差一些，只有少數比他們父親更好。」
----楊憲益譯《奧德修紀‧卷二》北京：中國工人出版社，1995，頁15。
在杨宪益的译本《奥德修纪》中，雅典娜等神明在对宙斯说话时，常尊称其为“闶阆之子，至高的尊神”。
其中的“闶阆”即是古希腊神话中宙斯的父亲——第二代神王克洛诺斯（Cronus/Kronos）的汉语意译或音义结合古雅译法。 [1, 2] 出自漢朝古書....
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楊憲益翻譯的《奧德修紀》（即《奧德賽》）是中文世界中最早直接從古希臘語翻譯的全譯本，於 1979年首次面世。 [1, 2, 3]
譯本特色
- 散文體譯法：打破傳統詩歌體裁的限制，採用流暢的散文形式呈現，完美保留了史詩豐富的故事性與情節起伏。
- 依據古希臘原文：楊憲益參考了「洛布古典叢書」（The Loeb Classical Library）中的古希臘文版進行直譯，忠實且具備高度學術價值。
楊憲益卷：《奧德修紀》
作品背景
- 原著作者：古希臘詩人荷馬（Homer）
如果你想進一步了解，我可以為你：
- 簡述《奧德修紀》的核心冒險故事與分卷情節
- 介紹譯者楊憲益的生平與翻譯風格
- 比較散文體與詩體翻譯的不同之處
請告訴我你想從哪個方向深入探討？
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書籍特色
- 名家匯聚：收錄了中國當代最具代表性的翻譯巨匠之代表譯作與自選評論。
- 經典內容：涵蓋古希臘史詩、印度古典戲劇、英美現代詩歌與歐洲文學名著。
已知主要分卷與收錄書目
- 楊憲益卷：《奧德修紀》（荷馬史詩等）
- 葉君健卷：《阿伽門農王》
- 趙蘿蕤卷：《荒原》（收 T.S. 艾略特、惠特曼等作品）
- 季羨林卷：《沙恭達羅》（迦梨陀娑著）
- 袁可嘉卷：《駛向拜占庭》（英美詩選）
如果你想尋找特定某一位譯者的卷冊或是想了解其中某一本著作的詳細收錄篇目，請告訴我，我可以為你進一步整理。
